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/con/ ~ I have a question that I'm sure you've a...
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I have a question that I'm sure you've all heard before. Let's say, for shits and giggles, that someone might have visited some websites, or downloaded some material, that they want to get rid of off their hard drive. Is there any way to really do this? If so, what would be the best (and easiest) way to do this? Thanks in advance, I'm sure there's somebody with the expertise to help out??


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From my virus/spyware removal days I heard, but never saw, that even if you format a hard drive some data can remain. So basically the more times you format the more mangled it gets. However, there is never a guarantee that there won't be something that isn't recoverable.

Really I think you are too paranoid, probably because you are guilty of something.

The only surefire way would be flamethrower (no pun intended), universal solvent, or whatever else you find lying around the house.

Isn't a bigger hard drives than you really need essentially free nowadays? I've been getting by with a 20 and 80 forever, and I play games that never seem to be less than 5gb of size. Not to mention over 24 hours of music and who knows how many movies or pictures.

For all intents and purposes a normal deletion or format is sufficient, no one is after you. If you go the format route then use belarc advisor to get your windows key, so you can use it to reactivate for the new installation. Then again I probably only say that because i'm used to no one ever keeping track of it...


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Get ahold of a good drive wiper and set it for 7+ overwrites. Always run a defragment after wiping. There are several good programs out there for drive wiping, Google it. And as long as you run this method frequently, and your computer is fairly active, then most deleted files get buried so deeply it would take a miracle for them to be retrieved. And stop whatever it is that's making you so paranoid. Wipe it good, and keep it clean. (Legal!)


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does anyone know if these drive wipers work?


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the best program is "eraser".
And 7 overwrites are not enough: the only safe way to destroy your datas is 35 overwrites (guthmann algorythm). And, additionally, once per month overwrite even all the unused disk space.


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35 overwrites is a bit extreme. I think there was an ex-forensics dude here a while back that said anything over 7 would take care of it???


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Update to shit I was saying before. I just got a 500g new drive for $35, but I think it was a promo, normally $45. I also heard that a 1 terabyte drive was only $60, 2 terabyes $80. Prices fluctuate though, just keep checking tigerdirect and newegg. I was told businesses can get free shipping on some items, but anyone can purchase stuff at low prices, if you wait for them.

Still though, no one cares what's on your drive.


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I think the cops might care what's on your hard drive. He is asking how to destroy obviously "illegal" pics or whatever. I doubt all your carrying on about terabytes and stuff is helping him. If he's this desperate, I doubt he knows how to replace a drive. Wiping your disk, many times, and constant use of your computer will get rid of "bad" stuff you may have on there. No need to buy anything except some software. iolo System Mehanic is sold at your local Wal-Mart, and works just fine.


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Well the hard drive option I listed would be likely larger and about the same price as unnecessary software.

The point in what I was saying is that no one cares what's on his drive. If they were on to him he wouldn't have time to do this before they got the stuff. If he wants to delete anyways, send to recycle bin, empty bin (assuming you get the folders with the copies and whatnot). If he wants 100% deletion, melt hard drive, because nothing else is guaranteed.

This pedo paranoia is pointless and far too common.


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I'm not going to get into an argument with you on this. My point is that he may not know how to replace a hard drive, hell, I don't either. And simply sending files to the Recycle Bin and deleting makes them easily retrievable. The only way to safely delete data on a hard drive, other than replacing it, or melting it, is to overwrite the data with a drive wiper, and bury it under lots of new deleted files as well. And "pedo paranoia" is a legitimate concern for ANYONE who has viewed illegal material. I have read articles where they get people up to a year or more later. Your laid back approach to this subject is bad advice, period. So to the OP, if you have concerns about what is on your hard drive, you can switch it out, if you know how, or destroy it, or you can get a drivescrubber, as I mentioned above, and vigorously clean the shit out of your computer. Just Google "hard drive wiping" and you'll get a wealth of information. And to the "psych" guy, telling someone they are safe because of what you think is not reassuring to someone who is obviously paranoid. Furthermore, that "unnecessary" software does alot of other beneficial services to tune up PC performance. But the Drivescrubber option is excellent. I randomly downloaded some ordinary pics, the wiped the hard drive. I ran search and recover afterwards, and everything was gone. For good! He asked for the easiest way to permanently eliminate files, and I gave it to him. Suggesting he replace his drive is not easy, and telling him he's paranoid, is probably not what he wants to hear. Especially telling him to simply throw it in the Recycle Bin is stupid. You can't do that with files that are already deleted. Buy a drive wiper and overwrite your deleted files. That is the easiest way and it works. Thank you, and good night!


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>>315052
I see your point on most things. Saying drivescrubber worked because some primitive file recovery you used couldn't find the things doesn't mean that partyvan or higher recovery methods won't.

I still think the only guaranteed option is melting. I also disbelieve there is anything a paid program can do that free programs can't. Filehippo.com probably has them all (but all the crap ones too).

However, I don't care to look it up, so it seems you did give the best advice: "google hard drive wiping". It's the only way to know the real answer.


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>>315057 Okay, I agree with your main point. "Melting", or otherwise totally destroying a hard drive and making sure it is never found, ie: thousands of pieces scattered all over the place, buried, into rivers, different trash cans.....etc.

That is probably the only "true" way too ever be certain. A bit dramatic, in my opinion, but totally 100% safe. So that is correct, sir.

But I am fairly certain, and according to a lot of research on the topic, that most decent drive wipers, set to DoD standars, and 35 overwrites will make any deleted data basically unrecoverable by any technology in existence at this time. Especially if the computer being used id fairly active.

Once a drive is wiped, especially after 35 overwrites, that free space is then "kicked back into play", and begins to get additionally overwritten by new active files and new deleted files.

But actually, the BEST way to make sure your hard drive is secure is to 1) NEVER click on ANYTHING that is illegal, or even "questionable", and 2) NEVER store anything on your computer that a hacker could use to hurt you. This is why I drive wipe. We store NO passwords on our computer, and anytime we go to a site that requires a password, we have a printed list, on paper, that we use.

So, I'm done with this thread, I think we've covered it. And to the OP, just wipe it down. Be careful and smart while on-line, and definately, KEEP IT LEGAL!!


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>>315058
If would be funny if OP is sitting in jail right now as we talk without him.

My knowledge of computer crap is from less than a year in virus and spyware removal. I was told that no matter how many times you format a hard drive, there is still a chance some viruses survive. These were competent people, unlike anyone symantec, norton, or mcafee ever employed.

That's basically my whole basis for advice on this, so if it's irrelevant then it's wrong.

Just to trollface, should I point out that you can only overwrite a disc so many times before it dies? This wiping thing sounds like assisted suicide. I almost don't want to say it, but that would lead to him having to buy a new hard drive.


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do the gutmann 35 pass, google it


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rub a strong magnet all over your disc drive, child rapist


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Stop downloading kiddy porn and it won't be a problem. Really, it's not that fucking hard. Just stop doing stupid shit and you won't need to be so paranoid.

Secondly, like these other guys said, Guttman pass everything and defrag.


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fucking paranoid rumours.  a one-pass wipe is enough.  no-one has EVER retrieved bits that has been 'zeroed' then 'one-ed'.


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fucking take a hammer to it and then buy a new one.


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do the gutmann 35 pass, surely, that is sufficient to delete all yer child prox.


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Your ISP logs what you do. Nuke your drive all you want. If you don't know how to delete a hard drive securely I'm guessing you didn't secure your surfing either. Oh, and fun fact: the government can run a Tor exit node and see what's going through. That shot is often traceable.

Tldr stop being a pedobear


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I had a friend that worked at a bank. they destroyed info on their hard drives by removing them and then scrapping the actual disk with a razor blade. strong magnets can.sometimes work but all that information leaves little afterimages and the only true way to know if its completely destroyed is to actually physically destroy the hard drive. nothing else will absolutely guarantee that its all gone.


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Fill the drive up completely

Then delete some stuff

Then fill it up again




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